Quote from: JetSetIlly on 16 Jan 2025, 10:29 AMBut it's the colour burst, it can't ever be different. That's what's confusing me.

The only way the colour burst can appear different is if the TV is mistuned (or a faulty console I suppose). I doubt Strum has his TV mistuned. I'll ask him.

Could be anything, I wonder how he will explain.

QuoteI think that discussion has fizzled out.

I hope not.

QuoteTBH, I'm beginning to think the only way I can get the answers I want is to acquire an NTSC machine myself.

Not sure if that will help. Probably you need more than one to even get an idea. Plus multiple CRT TVs.

Quote from: Thomas Jentzsch on 16 Jan 2025, 09:43 AMYes, that one looks greenish. But the old documentation describes it as gold. So it cannot be green (unless the doc is wrong).

But it's the colour burst, it can't ever be different. That's what's confusing me.

The only way the colour burst can appear different is if the TV is mistuned (or a faulty console I suppose). I doubt Strum has his TV mistuned. I'll ask him.

QuoteAs you know, the discussion is still ongoing.

I think that discussion has fizzled out.

TBH, I'm beginning to think the only way I can get the answers I want is to acquire an NTSC machine myself.

Yes, that one looks greenish. But the old documentation describes it as gold. So it cannot be green (unless the doc is wrong).

As you know, the discussion is still ongoing. I tend to follow the old doc, but that's subjective.

Quote from: Thomas Jentzsch on 16 Jan 2025, 08:14 AMI had a greenish hue 1 too. So I tweaked the angle until the hue 1 did fit.

Right. That's what I've done too in a way. But we really wanted to know what is produced by the console before the television controls are adjusted.

I want a HQ photo of the gold as it appears on an NTSC system, with the TV controls set to neutral.

Looking at the photo (not high-quality) in this post and hue 1 looks green to me. So I honestly don't know what to think anymore

https://forums.atariage.com/topic/375698-how-are-ntsc-console-colors-really-set-up/page/5/#findComment-5599307


I have a PAL machine here and my calculations recreate what I see on the hardware, so I'm reasonably confident I'm getting the maths correct. It's just that damned colour burst on the NTSC that I can't decide about.

I had a greenish hue 1 too. So I tweaked the angle until the hue 1 did fit.

The simplest maths produce what we see in the screenshot. The thing is, hue 1 doesn't look like "gold" to me.

So I've convinced myself that hue 2 is gold and the current version of Gopher2600 has a hue 1 more like the hue 2 we see in this image. In other words, the hue has been shifted by about 24 degrees.  But I'm pretty sure that's not right - I've deluded myself.

Can somebody advise me one way or the other which "gold" is correct? As I say, I simply don't have an NTSC system to check.

Has anyone had a chance to look at this? I still have a question about the precise colour of hue 1. In other words, what exactly is the "gold" of hue 1. Everything hinges on that really and I don't have an NTSC TV to check.

I'm fairly sure I've not got it exactly right but that's all I know for sure.

There's an ongoing conversation on AtariAge on this subject but it's going nowhere frankly. A lot of opinions but not a lot of facts.

I've written comprehensive release notes on the github page. But just to emphasise, this is a "preview" release of some major changes.

It's a "preview" because there are some changes that have not yet finalised - the default colour palette. However, I think the project would benefit if people can have a look at it now.

https://github.com/JetSetIlly/Gopher2600/releases/tag/v0.40.0-preview

First time I heard of CRT Cataracts was on Adrian Black's channel. He has a really worse case of this:

Quote from: SpiceWare on 04 Jan 2025, 06:55 AMThat's pretty wild. Never heard of CRT Cataracts before

I hadn't either. Definitely not something you want to try to repair on a one-of-a-kind screen.